Games Discussion & Community Multiplayer Matches

[GX-WarSpite]

Remember to justify your answers, and don't forget strong opening and closing paragraphs for the argument in your essay!

[yoda_blues]

They both are EXTREMELY over-hyped. I'm more excited about what other people are going to do with their respective engines and what mods they'll influence then the actual games themselves.

Ah crap, i didnt answer in the form of  a questions, do I have to stand in the corner now?

[gga_nate]

In my opinion, Half-Life 2 is definitely way overhyped. I'm still sore at Valve for letting Team Fortress 2 become vaporware. Now that Half-Life 2 is delayed, I suspect the same fate will befall it. The E3 demos of this game have also raised expectations too high. I doubt if every building will be destructable, that the AI will be as good as they say, or that scripted sequences will be used sparsely. Of course, the game will have to come out before we can see how good Half-Life 2 is. Judging by Valve's track record, I'm not holding my breath.

[gga_nate]

I'm guessing that another game such as Far Cry or Thief 3 will be better than both. I personally am anticipating those two more than Doom 3 or Half-Life 2.

Message Edited by gga_nate on 01-29-2004 02:53 PM

[Cranky]

Painkiller is the one I am waiting for. It has real potential...

[In-Tel]

HL2 seems more hyped because of their source code leak, but without the leak I think they are pretty much on par.

[Druga Runda]

HL2, nothing could be more overhyped than that game... release on Sept 30th 2003, ATI vs Nvidia benchmarks, source code leak... delays, delayed to Sep 2004 - lol... that is just plain crazy, and it is the sequel to the biggest selling/best FPS ever... (the sims probably outsold it in the total game selling ranks)

[Millerboy]

Well, Doom3 leaked too. Remember the Doom3 Alpha that leaked a while ago?  So now we both have playable versions of HL2 or Doom3.

[Druga Runda]

But Carmack didn't make a conference to promote Nvidia hardware, saying that ATI implementation is inferior as Gabe Newell did the other way around, even though ID gave early DIII benchmarks where Nvidia spanked ATI all over...

[metal_maniac]

Doom3 is hyped as just a scarier and more technical impressive version of doom, while HL2 is presented as the second coming of christ...guess who will be the biggest disappoinment having the hype in mind

[nojopar]

Definately Doom III.  Remeber, as a game, Doom and Doom 2 were actually pretty lousy.  The "story" was fairly shallow and the gameplay was repetative.  What made Doom and Doom 2 so damn addictive was there wasn't anything remotely like it out at the time.  I played it over and over and over because there wasn't much else to play.  Besides, the graphic quality and the performance was amazing for the time.  The same could be said of Quake, Quake 2, and Quake 3.  They weren't particularly good games.  They WERE fabulously amazing engines.  And the multiplay brought a whole new renesaunce to gaming.  For that they can't be beat.

In contrast, Half-Life was an amazing game.  It had a compelling story, good action, and a logical progression.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to both games.  But I'm more looking forward to what people do with the Doom III engine than the game itself.  Half-Life will be a compelling game in it's own right, I believe.  Furthermore, people will do amazing things with their engine.

[shigum]

I pretty well stopped waiting for each of those games months ago. I figure that there are enough other games that are more than enough to keep my attention occupied. The way I see it, I don't really care if they are ever released or not. Don't get me wrong, both look great and I played the original HL/mods to death, but the game industry seems to be full of empty promises and missed release dates. Maybe it's time for gamers to just ignore the hype to send the developers a message to just deliver the best they can, when they can and quit worrying about being the next big thing.

[constable2]

I thought HL was really stupid.  After I got to the alien world, it got really boring and I wanted to hang myself.  The story was lame.  The only reason people ever like HL was because of TF, CS, and DoD...not because of the shitty single player "experience".

HL2 is way more overhyped than D3, what with their little source code fiasco.  They probably left a back door open so someone could come in and steal it, to buy them some more time to finish the game.

[Harvester]

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constable2 wrote:

I thought HL was really stupid.  After I got to the alien world, it got really boring and I wanted to hang myself.  The story was lame.  The only reason people ever like HL was because of TF, CS, and DoD...not because of the shitty single player "experience".

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You're insane. Lots and lots of people (myself included) absolutely loved Half-Life's single player experience. I do agree though that the alien levels were the weakest part of the game. The story wasn't that lame, it was simple but well integrated into the gameplay.

[yoda_blues]

Meh...I personally think HL's singleplayer is waaay overrated. It wasn't as great as everyone makes it.

[bullettooth]

I to am looking forward to other games. I dont think there is anyway Half-Life 2 will be able to meet the high level of hype it had going after the E3 showing. I also think it hurts that Values being so quiet, a  progress report wouldnt hurt. Im sure it will be a great game but no use dwelling on when its coming. Doom 3's singleplayer will no doubt be very scary but the multiplayer kinda sounds iffy.Right now im looking forward most to Splinter Cell 2 and Farcy. Cant wait to try Splinter Cell's multiplayer and I think Farcrys AI is gonna make that game very memorable. Oh and that new Halo 2 kicks ass.

[constable2]

I just hope that either of these games takes longer to beat than 6 hours.  That seems to be the mean playing time for new releases.  ie...CoD, Max Payne 2,  thats almost 10/hr.  I think that is more expensive than a prostitute.  I did get a bit more time out of JK2. 

[Trogdor]

Gee WarSpite... generating more hype by asking about hype?  Nice! 

Doom3 is more overhyped, though, simply because it's a remake more or less of the old Doom game.  How lame is that?  Sure, the graphics will be nice, but something new would have been appreciated.  At least Carmack didn't blame the "delays" (when it's done...) on the leaked Alpha, though.  That was so completely lame of Valve.

[In-Tel]

"...it's a remake more or less of the old Doom game.  How lame is that?"

What do you mean Doom 3 is lame continueing on the franchise? Nothing lame at all if they can make a kickass game out of it!

Message Edited by In-Tel on 01-30-2004 11:52 PM

[Trogdor]

I mean that the story for Doom reads like some weak script for an action film written be a high school student.  Not surprising, since Carmack, Romero, etc. were rather young when they created that game.  Half-life at least had a decent plot, but it wasn't much better.  HL2 will have a new plot, though, and hopefully flesh out the back story more.  Doom 3?  I think it's just Space Marine vs. Hell Hordes, take 3... Action!

Yes, I am one of those people who prefer single-player games with better stories.  Sorry.

[Millerboy]

Hell yeah, I agree with Trogdor. Half-Life won so many awards it's not even funny. It's starting to get annoying, hehe. That's the reason why single player games with good plots are so kick-ass.  It's definitely a breath of fresh air after all of these monotonous First-Person Shooter clones.

[Millerboy]

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constable2 wrote:

I thought HL was really stupid.  After I got to the alien world, it got really boring and I wanted to hang myself.  The story was lame.  The only reason people ever like HL was because of TF, CS, and DoD...not because of the shitty single player "experience".

HL2 is way more overhyped than D3, what with their little source code fiasco.  They probably left a back door open so someone could come in and steal it, to buy them some more time to finish the game.

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I got bored of HL too, but that didn't happen until like the very end. I didn't even finish the game without codes. hehe.  But it's still a great game. The reason that TF, CS, and NS, DOD, etc. got popular is because it was based on the HL engine.  They are all mods,  the people that played CS first had to have a version of HL because there was no stand-alone CS at that time. 

So everyone who was playing CS on beta and stuff, they all bought copies of Half-Life to play on the internet.

[constable2]

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MiLLeRBoY wrote:

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constable2 wrote:

I thought HL was really stupid.  After I got to the alien world, it got really boring and I wanted to hang myself.  The story was lame.  The only reason people ever like HL was because of TF, CS, and DoD...not because of the shitty single player "experience".

HL2 is way more overhyped than D3, what with their little source code fiasco.  They probably left a back door open so someone could come in and steal it, to buy them some more time to finish the game.

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I got bored of HL too, but that didn't happen until like the very end. I didn't even finish the game without codes. hehe.  But it's still a great game. The reason that TF, CS, and NS, DOD, etc. got popular is because it was based on the HL engine.  They are all mods,  the people that played CS first had to have a version of HL because there was no stand-alone CS at that time. 

So everyone who was playing CS on beta and stuff, they all bought copies of Half-Life to play on the internet.

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Are you a **bleep**ing retard!  Are you really saying this.  Half-Life used to be in the bargain bins selling for $5-10.  People bought Half-Life so that they can play CS.  Go find some sales statistics and you'll see that they skyrocket right around the time CS gets going.

[Millerboy]

Okay, no need to curse, constable2. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I agree with you but that still doesn't negate all of the awards that HL received like "Game of the Year," "Game of the decade," and "Game of the Century" by 98% of all PC game publications.  So it is nevertheless a very good game.

[Jerrek]

HL2 is in danger of becoming Duke Nukem Forever. Valve should at least released a demo to prove to gamers everywhere how far on into the final stages of development they are. I got a sneaking suspicion the Leak was a good excuse for them to delay the relase as the code as it was no-where near finished. Why don't Valve be more honest as to where they are, in terms of finishing the product. People saying we would be playing it right now if it wasn't for the hackers are talking crap. Valve weren't ready and neither was the game. I say stop the hype, concentrate on finishing the game, the alleged March release date is not to far away.

[bluemagic]

What do you mean 'stop the hype, concentrate on finishing the game'?  Do people think the folks at Valve are involved in secret meetings all day discussing how they can make it 'appear' they've been victimized by 'hackers' so they have an excuse to delay the game, so they can build more hype?  All of the recent hype is being generated by the gaming community, not by anyone at Valve. 

[constable2]

You have to remember that Valve hasn't released a game in about 6 years.  I don't remember exactly when HL was released but i think that is pretty close.  I wouldn't be surprised if HL went the way of TF2.  By the time they are ready to release it there will be 10 games just like it and 10 games better.  I don't know how much longer their funding will hold out if they can't get a game out the door.

[In-Tel]

Half Life wasn't that good.  I really didn't think it was that good, in fact I didn't even finish that game. Quake2 I finished like 3 times.

Message Edited by In-Tel on 01-31-2004 01:03 PM

[bluemagic]

Quake 2 was pretty boring single player. 

[darkportal_4]

Honestly, with both of them, it could be a lot worse. The hype is coming from US. I'm not seeing many Doom 3 ads in the PC mags, and both Valve and iD have been pretty quiet about development. You should all thank God Eidos' promotion department doesn't have a hold of it... look at anything Tomb Raider. That's overhyped.

Gamers need to just sit back and let them finish. Theres lots of other stuff to play in the meantime.

[thedude]

If you look at the current condition of pc gaming, then I think that both Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 are the most over-hyped games to come out so far. But if it comes down to overall over-hypeness, then I think that Half-Life 2 beats the crap out of Doom 3 at this point.

Even though ID went through it's problems first with having their game put through the ringer after some hacker(s) released a playable demo of Doom 3 over the net, Half-Life 2's situation out shined ID's debacle 10 to 1.

The press' coverage on these 2 games have went pretty well so far as rumors and gossip go, and I know that both ID and Valve are the one's responsible for it, and also as the ones who are benefiting from it. With all the recent delays going on with these computer games, one has to admit that the confidence and respect that the computer games industry had with it's consumer base is failing considerably these days.

ID who are infamous for using the moniker of "It will be ready when it's done," has prepared a pre-emptive defense for itself since the Doom 3 leak. Everybody knows that the public message forums and rumor-gossip mills that discussed everything concerning Doom 3's release, hype and about the demo leak have died down since last year. And Doom 3 still hasn't picked up much momentum into it's hype since the big fiasco with the demo leak back in 2003.

Besides, we all know that both of these games are guarenteed to rock once and if they come out, but has anybody had any inexplicable proof about Doom 3's gameplay? Graphics? The coding and design of it's engine? Apparently, no.

And with all the limited information given to the press and public nowadys concerning Doom 3's pending release, the photos, tech demos and numerous articles that do show something of what Doom 3 might be about, isn't even enough to satisfy us at this point.

ID fixed this problem apparently by addressing to it's public and media that the game will be released when it's "finished."

Valve hasn't had the same progess as ID did in calming it's public and media's attitude towards it's constant delays, but, the hype from it being delayed has caused an undisputed stir in it's public attention.

It wasn't that long ago before Valve's Gabe Newell reported to the press that it's 'Source Code' had been stolen by hackers and then later leaked through the internet. This supposed hack of Valve's software engine has caused them to postpone the release of Half-Life 2 until they could fix this problem. But before that incident had happened, Valve had already released product information about it's 'Source Engine,' videos of actual gameplay footage and numerous articles discussing what Half-Life 2 was all about. This had already help to build the massive attention that Valve was getting from it's press and from the public who were anticipating the release of Half-Life 2 back in September of 2003.

This hype even tore through ID's indullable fabric when they allowed the press and public to view and play Doom 3's multi-player demo back in 2003. And even though Valve hasn't released any playable demos of single and multi-player action for the press and public, the tech demos and gameplay videos they released showing off Valve's beautifully coded 'Source Engine" was enough to hold the people over. But the media, who are usually the one's benefiting from all the positive and negative press, have backed down from passing any prejudgemental arguments until they have an actual playable demo in their hands.

This type of fan fair that's being played in the videogames industry is usually seen only in the music and movie industries. It's funny to notice how the same antics that's portrayed by celebrities in all forms of media has finally been introduced to Valve's and ID's upcoming game releases.

But if you were to ask me who has the most anticipated release of 2004, I would have to go with Half-Life 2. And I bet that 9 out of 10 times it's the same game that you are all expecting to be the next big thing as the Lord Of The Rings trilogies were for the big screen.

Hell, I'd even stake 'my life' on Half-Life 2 even if my life depended on it.

Later.