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[Sceaf]

I read the review and was terribly disappointed with the bias opinion of people who prefer computer games over console games. Someone just commented on my own review for Halo 2 and I was amazed by the reply I got from this guy. He says and I quote (I copied and pasted)
Cons: -Trys to be like the bigger PC brothers but fails
-terrible linear gameplay
-slow and clunky
-terrible physics(jumping in multiplayer)
-100 bucks for xbox live!!!??
-everything else

Of course Halo 2 does have linear gameplay for the story mode one of the reasons people buy the game is to shoot stuff up and the cutscenes bring the story together which I believe is a unique story the ends up with a cliffhanger that makes you want more. Slow and clunky??? How is the game slow and clunky, what is clunky describing and he used slow. Honestly sir have you played the game at all or all the games you ever played was the unreal series. How could it be slow with hoards of covenant try to attack your position when you only have 3 other allies course you might stay there for a while because your being cluster **bleep**ed 20 other places at once but that's only one of the reasons its such a good game. He claims terrible physics (jumping in multiplayer) Huh I recall a game called tribes for the PC that you had a **bleep**in jetpack. Jumping that high is no biggie whatsoever you really don't jump that high using it as a con is a terrible overstatement. His Biggest chunk of Horse Shit is the 100 bucks of xbox live how the **bleep** did he come up with that number I got a prepaid card for a year of xbox live for 60 dollars lets remember the monthly fees of some comp games huh,huh like world of warcraft or everquest 2 like 15 bucks a month which is 180 dollars a year not 60 so you end up paying 3 times the amount. He also states "Trys to be like the bigger PC brothers but fails" how is it trying to be like you mean graphically because if you do mean that you have to mention how good the graphics are while the system runs a 733 Meg p3 with 64 megs of ram and that much on vram. Those are some awesome graphics for such extreme limitations. Or does he mean gameplay wise. If he meant gameplay then I think he takes the tiny bus to stupid town. I ask you to look up and compare halo 2's gameplay to any other fps. The other games he trying to compare Halo 2 with are Farcry and Doom. I played both of these games and can judge if they are better than Halo 2 or not. Farcry Crappy story awesome multiplayer. Doom 3 crappy multiplayer awesome story. So put Halo 2 in the mix and you get a good story and awesome multiplayer. Heres a tip play the game on heroic (that's the first thing I did when I got it) It gets really hard but that's an advantage if you play it on normal or easy you have no challenge whatsoever on easy I dont have to fire my weapon I can enter the room and just melee the whole time and not shoot one round and still have half shield. That give no challenge and give you less focus on the cutscenes which bring the story to life then if you complete a level on heroic like it took me 3 hours to beat the second level (first one is a cutscene) beating it that way give you more attention to the cinematics and makes you more in tune to the story. Multiplayer is a totally different beast they explain why they made the ranking system random if you go on the site and It is a a good one and It doesn't matter its still one of the best game play experiences I've had yet but I hold it equal to counter strike:Scource Farcry on multiplayer and the well anticipated WoW which I haven't played yet but I want to so bad.

Ps. If you notice where it listed the amount of time he played Halo 2 he didn't list his Time he spent no time at all.

[SuicideInvoice]

I didn't really read most of your post, but i'll add my thought anyway.

I haven't played Halo2.  I'm sure I eventually will play it for a few hours sooner or later, but I'm just not a console FPS fan, like most people on this site.  This is a pretty much a PC gaming site, so the review is going to reflect what most PC gamers think about Halo.  And I thought the review was spot on.  PC gamers won't be impressed by the Halo 2 multiplayer like regular folk who have never even heard of deathmatch or team games before Halo.

But of course my opinion is going to be wildly different from some console gamer.  Go read all the reviews from console website sucking Halo 2 off and saying it's the best game in the world.  Cause it is, to people that have never played a first person shooter on a PC over the internet with 32 other players.

[Sceaf]

I appreciate the fact that you stated you have a biased opinion and that you did not judge Halo 2 when you never played it yet. But I believe that a site like this shouldnt play any console game unless they give it a fair shake. Me I can have an unbiased opinion because I play on all console including a PC. I think games are good when they are good. I am a Halo fan though and I have been waiting for Halo 2 for quite some time there are some dissapointments to it like its rendering scheme but it am very happy with it I would get it a 9.8 out of 10. I wrote this post cause I hate people sating an ignorant opinion and quite frankly I hate stupid people stupid people. This site has no write posting a bias review of a game they probably never played I know they never played it but FS said the plot was confusing. I dont know if my intelegence is greater than theirs or thier helmet wearing retards, but there was nothing confusing in Halo 2. If you want a respected opinion try being as unbiased as possible we know firingsquad was but lets not let that hender you.

[GX-WarSpite]

Brett did give it a fair shake. He reviews console games all the time, though not necessarily for us.

Is it perhaps possible that, rather than obviously being wrong simply because he disagrees with you, he simply doesn't enjoy the game?

Do you really want all reviews to say the same thing?

[milehigh696]

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GX-WarSpite wrote:
Brett did give it a fair shake. He reviews console games all the time, though not necessarily for us.

Is it perhaps possible that, rather than obviously being wrong simply because he disagrees with you, he simply doesn't enjoy the game?

Do you really want all reviews to say the same thing?

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In a word, no.
That's what makes this site good, varried opinions and writing styles.

[darkportal_4]

Shit is the 100 bucks of xbox live how the **bleep** did he come up with that number I got a prepaid card for a year of xbox live for 60 dollars lets remember the monthly fees of some comp games huh,huh like world of warcraft or everquest 2 like 15 bucks a month which is 180 dollars a year not 60 so you end up paying 3 times the amount. He also states "Trys to be like the bi

Yeah, EQ2 and WoW are also multiplayer only (note: their genre is listed as MMORPG), with thousands of players on a single server. Halo 2 is just your boring client/server multiplayer, with a bit of a twist that takes out the actual server selection. Now, let's start with the exhaustive list of games with free vanilla TCP/IP multiplayer for PC? Do I even need to list those? It'd be pages long, I'd probably hit the forum's maximum post size, and this forum has it set quite high.

Just visit Gamespy Arcade's list of supported games, and multiply that times...Idunno... 25. That's how many free, non-subscription multiplayer games we have.

As for the PC-centric bias you accuse the site of, remember it's a site started by a hardcore PC Gamers and with content mostly written for hardcore PC gamers. Not to say that consoles are completely left out, but just keep in mind who we are. If you want coverage panders to console gamers go hit up IGN, and let me know if they ever have an FS- or Anandtech- type hardware/software guide.

[Sceaf]

I know why WoW costs more dip shit Im talking about price the actual money that you pay.
No I dont believe he gave the game a fair shake cause if you ask anyone who played Halo 2 they would tell you the real game lies in Heeroic or legendary he probably played it on easy and beat the game in 5 hours thats not what you should do when you try to rate a game like Halo2. I know it is his opinion but I cant believe he gavee the game a fair shake because alot of people ( about 1.5 million by now ) would have to strongly disagree. How he gave HL2 a big score when its basicaly a rehash to me. Yes I have played it so no bias shit.

[darth521]

I agree with Sceaf. Many people love Halo 2, even PC gamers. Halo 2 is more of the same from Halo 1, with more extras, but that's fine with me. It's still a must-play game. Half-Life 2 is just more of Half-Life 1 basically. And people didn't complain about that. But oh well....

[Trogdor]

Half-Life 2 is just more Half-Life, just like Halo 2 is more Halo. Except that HL2 has amazing graphics with the gameplay, a pretty decent story, and the levels don't all feel pretty much the same. Great graphics don't make a great game, but a great game with even better graphics definitely *is* helped by them. The original Half-Life is still way better than the original Halo in my book, and not surprisingly the sequels to each maintain that margin.

[Sceaf]

Trogdor have you played both Half-life and Halo its like comparing a model-T to a hovercraft there is one way cooler and better and that would Halo but the upgrade from Half-Life to Half-Life 2 would be like comparing an Intell 8086 to 3.8 ghz pesscott. Its hard to immagine you would choose Half-life over Halo. Of course I believe Half-Life 2 is better than Halo but in my opinion Halo 2 is over all better.

[Sceaf]

oh and mile dont give the varied oppinions bullshit if you noticed only one guy reviewed Halo 2 and only had one opinion there is no conflict of interest of what gets advertised.

[Trogdor]

I played Half-Life all the way through, and I have played Halo. I didn't beat Halo, because it was freaking boring after the umpteenth identical inside corridor. Halo had a bunch of pre-made "brushes" that were reused far too often. Yeah, the vehicles were pretty cool, but they couldn't carry the game. I just got tired of the same stuff happening over and over. Halo ends up being a game with great graphics and some cool gameplay that is hampered by poor level design.

Just to drive home the point, I went and replayed the original Half-Life two weeks ago - all three parts (Blue Shift and Opposing Force). The expansions weren't as good as the original in my view, particularly Blue Shift, but overall I enjoyed all three games. Maybe it's time for me to go back and try to beat Halo, but I don't feel Halo is the better game as of now.

I can see the same thing in the review of Halo 2, and I don't have to play it to recognize the validity of the arguments. There are so many comments made in the review that remind me of the original Halo, and it's hardly surprising since it's made from the same design company. Sure, I'll try it when it gets to the PC. I hope they do a better job than they did with the original, but everything I've heard makes it sound like an incremental upgrade.

Your problem is that you can't stand someone disagreeing with your view of Halo/Halo 2. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and at least Brett backed it up with a well-written essay. Your comments so far: "I read the review and was terribly disappointed with the bias opinion of people who prefer computer games over console games." "But I believe that a site like this shouldnt play any console game unless they give it a fair shake. Me I can have an unbiased opinion because I play on all console including a PC."

Besides the poor wording in those two comments, don't you see the contradiction? What you seem to be saying is that you're unbiased because you liked Halo 2 a lot (98/100) while Brett is terribly biased because he didn't like it much. You both obviously play both PC and console games, but I dare say that you play far more console games than PC games and you're in the younger demographic that consoles target. As a guy that gave GTA:SA a 98/100, it would be hard to call Brett biased against consoles.

Having not played Halo 2, I won't give it a score. Half-Life I would give a 96% when it was released, and even today it would still warrant a 91% from me. Half-Life 2 I would so far give about a 93%. It's a lot of fun, but there are a few issues with it that prevent me from giving it a score as high/higher than the original. From what I played of Halo (on PC), I would give it about an 87%. All of them are good games, but personal preference gives the edge to HL and HL2.

[KILLSWITCHaojb]

Ohhh Sceaf my friend..i see you are trying to start a fight with me..yes i said those things and i stand by those things..to call me ignorant is another thing. How could you possibly say i have never played the game...how the hell would you know that. In all of my reviews i never put how long I've played the game. I admit, I was a victim to the hype..the weekend after it came out I stayed at a friends house, just to play it. My feeling was utter and total disappointment. It left me wanting HL2 even more. You are talking out of your ass when you say I have never played it.
- As for the slow and clunky statement...yes My favorite games are the Unreal Series, HL series, Call Of Duty, ETC....the game is slow in comparison to these. Why do you think Halo didn't do so well when it was ported to the Pc...it felt even slower.
-Tribes..haha yes a great game..The newest Tribes has great physics and the jetpack reacts how it really would. I nitpicked at the jumping cause it looks ugly as hell.
-Xbox live...all my friends who have it pay 100 a year..or very close to it. Yes some Pc Games have a monthly charge..but they are all MMORG's..where thousands of people play on one server. CS, UT, CoD, Tribes...etc etc.. are all free..FREE. Here comes Microsoft saying "lets milk them of even more money" and you get XBox live.
-It seems that you dont realize that Halo 2 is trying to bring the PC experience to the Xbox...everyong knows that and it doesnt beat any big title PC fps in my book.
- As my opnion being biased. Not at all.. Some of my favorite games are on the console..including the MGS seriesm, Silent Hill, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, and GTA. However i do not like playing a FPS on a console. The FPS was created and defined on the PC and to me all console attempts have failed. On the other hand i couldnt see myself playing Devil May Cry on the computer. That being said read Trogdor's last post..he brings out a very good point.

If you are gonna cream yourself over Halo 2 go do it at Gamespot..not here

And with that being said..let the war begin.

Message Edited by KiLLsWitCHaojb on 11-27-2004 02:07 PM

[Sceaf]

Trogdor I know everyone has and is entitled to thier own opinions but there would only be one explanation for the review. Since so many people would disagree with firingsquads review it made me believe that the only explanation to give a review like that would be bias, especialy in a community here at firingsquad. What the reviewer probably had in mind was a appealing to the main demographic this site controls and that would be PC enthusiasts. Me, I am a pc enthusiast but I also own all the consoles played all the games in question in thier intirity. I know bungie has a problem makin thier maps symmetrical making it easy sometimes to get lost I know I did. I would tell you that yes I did get board with Halo 1 sometimes because I agree it lacked variables. But I did play aand like it in the end because of how unique and well made it was. With Half-Life I got bored and stoped playing it after 30 minutes of blasting zombies. But for the sak of your argument and everyone elses I went and played in full and was completley dissatisfied with the whole game. Kills you are a moron your friend pays 100 dollars for Xbox live, How is that possible? I does cost money because like MMORPGS they have downloadable content. How long have you played Halo 2? Have you played it at all? If you have did you play it on easy? any moron whos ever played Halo would know you never play the game on easy if you want to enjoy it. You play it on Heroic. On easy you dont have to fire a gun you can just walk to the next room or kill everyone with a melee attack. If you want to judge a game dont play it on easy play it on hard. How the **bleep** do you get off saying that microsoft is trying to bring the PC experiance to the Xbox how would they do that? What would make you think that?

[KILLSWITCHaojb]

Listen jackass...im not gonna argue with you about the cost of xbox live..my friend who has it and creams over Halo 2..and other friends have told me the fee is 100 dollars a year. But personally i don't care if its 40 bucks a year or 100 dollars a year..There's PC shooters out there that are free! yes FREE! that are both better then Halo 2 and can support far more then 16 people. It doesn't seem to register that I have already told you how long I played it and when I played it.. I need not repeat myself, read my last post. When I played it with him we played it on the regular difficulty..the difference between heroic and regular is minimal..yes I would know because I've experienced both. Bungie has tried to bring the FPS PC experience to the console. As I said the FPS was created and defined on the PC..you would not have Halo if games like Doom and Half-Life didn't come around. Some developers try to emulate that experience on the console because the console market sells more then the PC because of obvious reasons.Being someone who played the original Doom when it came out and have watched it transform and grow, games like Halo seem bland and boring. Im sure many people here will agree with me.

You have seen another side of things..how many people actually dislike Halo 2. Why do you feel the need to defend your beloved game? Its over! Im tired of your crap..this has gone from you ignorantly insulting the FS review..me insulting your review..then to you insulting me personally which has gotten out of hand. It shows quite a bit about your character. I hate to say that not everyone loves Halo 2..and Don't cry about it like a baby when someone disagrees with you.

[Sceaf]

Ignorantly insulting?Ok then, if you want to talk about ignorance then let's talk about ignorance. One abviously you musnt have played Halo 2 because the difference between normal and heroic is almost catastrophic. on normal it would take three shots to kill an Elite while in heroic it would take about 2/3 a clip from the battle rifle and it would only take like 4-5 shots to deplete your shields with a plasma rifle which most of them are now dual wielding on heroic. So obviously your some pro-pc gas bag, and no you havent said anything for how long you played it jusst that you played it your "friends house". Obviously enough you dont have friends that pay for Xbox live cause there is no possible way you would pay 100 dollars for it. If you dont wanna play on Xbox live then fine use Xbconnect you dont need to pay shit for it. Dont compare the Xbox to the PC cause you cant. Gaming wise. Halo 2 accomplished a graphical marvel. Say they only did it with a 700 meg P3 and 64 megs of ram. You cant compare that to a Pc which requires twice that and to have 16 players play on a serverr is quite a feat. Im not crying about anything I would point out that about 2 million+ people and thats a conservative estimate, would disagree with the review on Firing Squad and the review helped my realize that this is not a good place to find reviews for games cause you cant go that far off the scale when an Extreme majoritie would disagree. But to quell that I think FS should have more than one person doing theese game reviews so you can have more than one opinion in the matter to make it a credible statement. Cause if you go that far off you have to be bias.

[KILLSWITCHaojb]

Sceaf! look at your life right now! god man! "it takes 4-5 shots to deplete your sheilds with a plasmaaa rifle and it would only take 3 on normallll" dude. I said enough! look at you! your like a f*cking child! If you dont want me to compare xbox to pc then get the f*ck out of here and stop posting to further piss people off! Continualy you try to defend a game that many other people and myself think is crap! YOU ARENT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND OR THEIRS! SO JUST SHUT UP! DO YOU HONESLTY CARE THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOURS I HAVE PLAYED HALO 2 YOU F*CKTARD!? He gave it the score he did and thats that! JUST GIVE IT UP! Are you gonna argue with everyone who doesnt like Halo 2? Honestly how old are you? cause your acting like your 12.

[skiwreck]

good lord, shut up both of you please. this is like arguing about creationism vs. evolution. neither one of you will change each other's minds. Sceaf likes Halo 2. KiLLsWiTcHaojb likes HL2. I haven't played HL2 yet but as soon as I can find 55 bucks i will. And Halo 2 is tons of fun if you can get 8 guys together playing. they are both good. Now stop fighting bout it cuz neither one of you is ever going to give up and the rest of us are probly getting sick of this.

[Sceaf]

I am honestly tired af **bleep**ing retards. WHAT TO I KEEP ON SAYING. IDONT WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND. youll never play Halo 2 and quite frankly I dont give a **bleep**. If you heard anything I said you would know that Im not trying to change anyones mind they are entitled to thier own opinion. It's just that the review of Halo 2 on FS has led me to believe it is not a good scource for reviews. Stop being a **bleep**ing moron look at you your judging a game you never played and you keep twisting the word that I type. If you want to be an as-shole than do it to your boyfriend. So he can play a di ck. Just stfu already.

[GX-WarSpite]

Chill out, now.