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08-06-2004 12:34 PM The review was disapointing and chock full of opinions. Adding your opinion to a review is the way it probably should be, but after I read the review on FS I relised that it was a review of someone pissed off at the *surprise* of the gameplay expieriance.
I think the surprise effect is great and very nostalgic.
Maybe fighting more monsters at once and more lighting through the levels would've helped. otherwise it's definitly doom. How many of us actually played through the first two dooms, don't lie. We all used the god mode trick and the jump to the last level trick. I think it took me months to finaly have played all the levels in doom2 when it came out, I just skipped around. And I know everyone else did to. This game is Doom it's just we all got so cought up in it that we wanted to play it through and, like having to much cake for desert, it's making us sick. Hence score of 85. I think 90 or higher just because of the little details that are in the game that aren't in any other. In all, a descent FS review but with too much anger and opinion at the surprise monsters.
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08-06-2004 12:47 PM I think the review was spot on.
When I first got Doom3, and spent about an hour and a half playing it, I couldn't say enough good things about it. Now, I just can't wait to beat it. The monsters being triggered when you pick up armor or teleporting behind you is getting very old. It worked at first, but come on, something new already?
Playing Doom3 just makes me want to play Half Life 2 that much more. I'm fairly confident that it will be a better game.
Though the two are very different: Doom3 is all hallways, dark, scary, you're on your own. HL will be in the great outdoors, most likely scary, and you'll have NPC to do combat along side(something that would have been wicked rad in D3) I'm counting on the story in HL2 to wipe the floor with D3s also. Sometimes when I'm playing D3, it almost seems like a bad remake of the original Half Life.
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08-06-2004 04:26 PM
I just can't imagine how a website that espouses itself to be the site for the hardcore gamer.. based on the exploits of a gamer who made his fortune playing ID games.. would actually release a review based on Id's new game.. and actually admit that they used cheat codes to rush through the game.. just to get the review out and Then turn around and try to suggest that cheating didn't affect their enjoyment of the game. How can a Reviewer actually dare suggest that they are professional in reviewing a game ANY GAME in that matter? Did the firinsquad fans demand you rush the review? I don't think so. There was no time table you didn't have a time limit! You do have a responsibility to your readers. And what you did WarSprite spits in the face any of your readers and you show no respect for them or their hard earned dollar. How can you expect anyone to respect you for what you have done? heck if I Were ID I would never send you anything or answer any questions you have..heck if I was any game maker.. I Would demand that you not review my games. because I Wouldn't want someone who does a half-assed job of reviewing my game and then dares respond in a bitter manner for being caught doing that half-assed job.
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08-06-2004 04:41 PM Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-06-2004 04:42 PM Re: FS's doom3 review[ Edited ]Options
08-07-2004 04:25 AM - edited 08-07-2004 04:25 AM
Yes and in my opinion that is one of the most poorly written reviews I have had the horror of reading. If I was attempting to insult fellow gamers with a review that bad.. I Don't think I could have done a better job then you did. No no. I Am wrong. I Know for damn sure I couldn't have done as good a job as you did in insulting your readers. Seriously. You rushed through the game.. and the review both incidents are terrible in there own right. And then you get suprised that folks are upset? There are spelling errors ,grammatical errors in you're review!
Where is the professionalism WarSprite? OR do you not care? Its sad really. If you want an example of a good doom3 review that is opinionated and doesn't come off as being written by a 12 year old.. bjorn3d.com has a nice one. Same score but a world of difference. Talk about a 180. Hardcore Gamer? You are not a hardcore gamer. You don't deserve the label. A true hardcore gamer would have played the game and not rushed. Message Edited by EvilAsh on 08-07-2004 04:27 AM Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-07-2004 08:03 AM
How does one rush through a game anyway? Surely if you're enjoying playing something, you tend not to stop, and if you're a 'hardcore' gamer then you're bound to be good at playing games. So wanting to play something + being good at playing something = getting through something pretty fast.
What do you mean 'played the game"? Is that walking instead of using the run key? Killing the enemies then taking your time walking through a room? Also if you're going to go on about grammatical and spelling errors, and then say you could do better, remember it's 'Warspite' and 'your' not 'you're'. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-07-2004 09:04 AM Like he said, it's all about opinions. There are tons of reviews out there... I for one, would have given it higher, but thats just my opinion.
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08-07-2004 09:14 AM
Er EvilAsh, you just wrote 2 long posts bash the review without actually referencing any part of the review at all (well , except spelling and grammer). Don't you you think you could've mentioned WHY the review was so bad in there somewhere?
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08-07-2004 10:24 AM
You can always write your own review, if you haven't done so already. Personally, I agree with some of the things he said and I see his point. I also tend to forget that I actually read the review, except for some reason, seem to remember two things, the annoyance of triggered events and save often. Of course, I also remember the score. Once I beat the game, I might write my own review, so I'll just put my comments there.
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08-07-2004 05:16 PM Well there are many perspective in a review, he took the gameplay's repetitiveness as the main focus. It was a bit repetitive, and he really used it against Doom 3's score. Some reviewers out there looked at it differently, they see many of the good points in Doom 3 easily covered the repetitiveness of Doom 3, and accepted that fact that all previous Dooms had simular gameplay, and forgave ID's choice to keep the tradition.
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08-07-2004 05:26 PM
I played many FPS games and I can't remember once enjoying having NPC's fighting beside me, ever. Not in Call of Duty, not in Unreal 2, not any game that i remotely remember, because they either, never die, never kills anything useful, gets in your way, or always asks you to go first. But in Doom 3, it is maybe the first time I enjoyed it. It's not technically an NPC(it is that turret spider robot) that you have the choice to follow. While I was fighting beside it, i really felt scared that if it dies, I'd be in a world of shit, therefore while it tries to protect me, I had to protect it. Following it rushing thru dark rooms/corridors with it's head light was the one of the hightlights in Doom 3.
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08-07-2004 06:44 PM
You didn't enjoy rushing up that hill during the russian campaign with all those soldiers in COD?! And the first time you played the Normandy beach level in MOH?! Not even Barney in HL?! Yer crazy and banned from this site for that.
So what if they don't actually kill anything, it's fun. It help you feel not so sad and alone.
Following that walking gun thing in D3 was pretty cool. Now, imagine if there were levels where you had a couple marines, some with flashlights, some with guns, fighting along side of you? I think that would have been totally **bleep**in.
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08-08-2004 04:26 AM
After I read the first few sentences I wanted to read the whole review. If it was going to be another glorifying review about Doom3 then I couldn't be bothered.
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08-08-2004 05:47 AM
So what was bad about his review? His first statements showed his bias against Id software.
Big No no. How can anyone take his opinion seriously when he already has preconcieved notions about ID games period? So when he says he didn't like it.. Wow that was a surpise! Not. Also Rushing through a game that is not designed for that type of play style is foolish if you play 10 hours straight.. guess what? Any game... is going to get jaded after a while. You have to take a break. Catch a breath. Live in the real world for a while. There was no need for him to Rush. And No Sorry No one who cares about enjoying doom3 is going to rush throught it. And no one who really wants to enjoy the game to the fullest is going to dare use Cheat codes. Folks used Cheat codes for the original Doom series.. Once they beat the game. just so they could get to their favorite sections of doom and doom2. Also. Playing Doom 3 with cheat codes.. and Playing doom3 without cheat codes = a totally different gameplay experience. Duh. His first review should have been written on his untainted gaming experience. IF anything It doesn't suprise me that no other third party news gaming site has listed the firingsquad review. Tells me that many other feel as I do that this review was piss poor in how it was written and handled. Warsprite this is my challenge to you. its simple.. Play half-life 2 with cheat codes and dare come back here and write a glowing review. if you are going to write a review FOR ANY game you do it without any cheat code experience. You write the review After the untainted gaming expeirence is fresh in your mind. See thats why your rant in the review makes no sense yet you score it 85... and yet you don't even explain WHY you feel the game is even worth 85! 85 is damn good store it must mean that you seriously enjoyedplaying it..or your opinion is bs and you just put up an 85 for the hell of it. Well which is it? Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-08-2004 10:05 AM Dude I think your mental. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-08-2004 10:18 AM
Not everyone's experience is ruined by using cheats, but I would expect a review to be based on non-cheating experience only. I for one can cheat like crazy and still be able to fully enjoy the game and become fully immersed (and be scared shitless) without cheats aswell. I find that you can be just as scared even with cheat experience, you just have to want to be. A truely immersive experience relies on both the game's ability to deliver, and the player's willingness to let the game immerse. I do agree that playing a game for hours on end dulls the experience....a paid game reviewer should know this. However, we should never automatically assume that the things that taint our gaming experience will taint other's aswell.
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08-08-2004 10:41 AM
Good grief, are you even reading what WarSPITE is saying? He only went back and used cheats to take benchmarks and screenshots. He played the game through WITHOUT cheating. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-08-2004 11:06 AM Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-08-2004 11:08 AM
Actually most screens were taken without cheat codes if you simply look at my health bar. I only went back to the mid part of the game when I realized I hadn't grabbed enough screens there and didn't feel like fighting all the way through again. Re: FS's doom3 review[ Edited ]Options
08-08-2004 12:03 PM - edited 08-08-2004 12:03 PM Well on the slightly brightside we have ourselves a new resident troll. Message Edited by Corran on 08-08-2004 03:03 PM Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-08-2004 12:26 PM Warsprite and Warspite conjure up completely different mental images...
EvilAsh is obviously nuts because you already told him you didn't use cheats during the game, but yet he still acts like you did.
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08-08-2004 03:35 PM
What, FiringSquad has a bias against id software? The only thing I might say about the review is that maybe WarSpite's expectations were a bit too high, but all in all I think it's a fair review.
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08-08-2004 07:43 PM
"Now, keep in mind that I've always admitted that id has never been a master of game design"
S o already he his expectations were low? So he doesn't think that there is any possible way that Doom3 would be a fun game? Thats Bias. "Before I get to that, let me say that if I'd written this review yesterday, it would be an orgasmic gushfest. Maybe it'd still be completely gushing rather than merely positive today if I hadn't gone back to earlier save games yesterday trying to string a sequence of fights for a benchmarking demo. Perhaps the early re-exposure to parts I just fought through hours ago killed my enthusiasm." Maybe? You ever hear of a movie critic writing a review of a movie by Watching it.. 3 times first and then writing the review? Wtf would anyone do that to themselves. Troll? I have been a reader of Firingsquad since it first came out. And I have posted here before many moons ago. Posting a contrary opinion is not trolling. But please go ahead call me troll. I am not posting to win a popularity contest. if I was I would write up a big paragraph calling this review the best review ever. As far as saying that Firinsquad is biased against id.. please show me where I actually said that.. I said that WARSprite is biased against them. Does WarSprite represent the entire Firinsquad team? if he does.. my goodness Thats news to me. Re: FS's doom3 review[ Edited ]Options
08-08-2004 09:14 PM - edited 08-08-2004 09:14 PM I would say he is currently the only game reviewer. Pongky covers conventions, Brandon does hardware, Chris does hardware, and Jacob does games. Edit: Seeing how low on manpower you guys are, do you need an intern? Message Edited by Corran on 08-09-2004 12:15 AM Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-09-2004 12:42 AM Actually most screens were taken without cheat codes if you simply look at my health bar. I only went back to the mid part of the game when I realized I hadn't grabbed enough screens there and didn't feel like fighting all the way through again. I apologise most heartedly, I haven't paid much attention to the screenshots. See EvilAsh, that's what we do when we're proved wrong. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-09-2004 03:09 AM
Thats bad that he is the only game reviewer. Cause he is going to become one quite jaded reviewer. If he is the only person who does game reviews that means he has to play every game.. even genre's he is not into..and when that occurs reviews tend to suffer. I don't enjoy playing Golf games... So I wouldn't be the right choice to write a review on the latest Tiger Woods. Just an example. So yes FiringSquad should get a bigger review staff.
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08-09-2004 05:27 AM Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-09-2004 07:34 AM If he had given Doom 3 something below 80, there would have been a riot! This place would have been teared apart!
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08-09-2004 07:50 AM Why people care so greatly about what some website game reviewer (no offense
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08-09-2004 08:32 AM
So my opinion doesn't mesh with your's WarSprite you call me an idiot now? that's quite cute. Look if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. And if you can't write a half-decent review instead of sounding like a blithering moron then please allow someone else to do it.
See I can resort to idiotic name calling to. But acting like a child and writing like one are two different things. Just remember Doom3 is one of 2 of the biggest pc titles coming out this year. You have set the benchmark for your standard of reviewing with this one. Lets see how "well" you continue to write reviews with Half-life 2. Who wants to bet it gets a 90%+ and a glowing review that doesn't sound like it was rushed or poorly written? IF its ten times better then this piss poor attempt I hope everyone appreciates my critique. Cause if half-life 2 gets the same poorly written review treatment. Then I Will apologize to WarSprite because it means he just writes reviews poorly all the time and there is nothing that can be done about that. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-09-2004 09:08 AM
I think it's in everyone's best interest if a reviewer admits his bias while writing a review, which Warspite did. So, if the review is taken in proper context, I think it is very helpful. I'd rather have something like this as opposed to PC Gamer's version in which they basically state this game is the best thing to come along for the human race since oxygen. Personally, I didn't find the game all that scary. The visuals were awesome, but when something attacks me from behind after popping out of some useless "secret" storage closet, I'm more likely to start cursing at the game than crap my pants with terror. That said, I definitely recommend playing on Veteran your first time through, since ammo is limited and you're likely to spend more time with low health, thus upping the suspense a bit. The only thing that really creeped me out are the children's voices whispering though the surround speakers.
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08-09-2004 09:09 AM You make some good points, EvilAsh, but don't forget that you're spending all that time and effort to argue over how you disliked a review of a PC game. Not trying to flame or anything, but this discussion just isn't worth getting upset about
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08-09-2004 09:57 AM I'm pretty sure this evilash guy has a hard time with the english language, somehow he missed the part that said the cheats were going to be enabled for a custom timedemo for benchmarks and screenshots not for normal gameplay. Furthermore, biased againt Id....? I can tell you weren't around these boards when Doom3 went GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD.
The moral of the story is don't post it if you can't logically back it up.
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08-09-2004 09:58 AM
Thanks for the heads up But nothing ticks me off more then someone calling me a troll or an idiot because I posted my opinion. But I made my points. I Am commenting on the review. And true his one tiny review will have no affect on d3. Its already going to sell probably a zillion copies. Based on what I have seen at my local Bestbuy. They sold out of a hundred copies in a mere 4 hours. and for nearly half those copies sold. Each went out with some piece of hardware. Be it a new mouse,Nostromo GAmepad n52s,new 3d cards, Speakers. headphones.. Heck new pcs. I have never seen a new game get that type of reaction like that. Oh and for those who would love a nice set of THX 5.1 speakers bestbuy is selling the Logitech Z5300s for $199.
Considering they were originally 400 bucks! Thats a steal. And trust me Doom3 with 5.1 surround sound is an experience any gamer deserves to have. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-09-2004 10:00 AM I wish I could fit 5.1's around my pc desk
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08-09-2004 10:04 AM
I remember when The 7th guest sent everyone into a CD-ROM buying frenzy. Same goes for Wing Commander 3 and the Pentium processors. GLQuake and 3DFX boards? There's always been a AAA title to drive hardware sales. PC's are already far more powerful than necessary. The only thing creating the need is these games which offer features that new hardware can take advantage of. I'm even eyeballing another gig of Corsair RAM - a battle between the sensible and stupid parts of my brain if there ever was one.
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08-09-2004 10:11 AM Just give in and buy the damn ram. You're only delaying the inevitable
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08-09-2004 10:50 AM
You didn't make points. You didn't comment on the review. You made some unspecific comments on my writing and later when confronted with the fact that your post had no substance, you completely misinterpreted my original statement that "id isn't known for its game design" as some sort of ridiculous sign of my "bias" against id. I was the frontline of defence on the FS forums and email when it came to explaining our decision to grade Q3A higher than UT. Do you understand that? When half the internet descended here to flame us for scoring Q3A higher, I was defending Q3A, and thus id. That's why you're a troll. I can take people disagreeing with me, I've been doing so in email for a few days now, but I'm not going to have some inept troll walk into these forums under higher pretenses. Re: FS's doom3 reviewOptions
08-09-2004 11:01 AM
I never admitted any bias in the review. That's just EvilAsh trolling.
I said "Now, keep in mind that I've always admitted that id has never been a master of game design, so I never expected another Deus Ex or Half-Life. While I disagree that their games are nothing but tech demos, I do expect a great action sequence. Wolfenstein 3D had it, Doom I and II had it, and the Quake games sorta had it - but they made up for that with multiplayer. Doom III?"
Now, to most people, this simply means "Hey, he didn't have ridiculously high expectations".
EvilAsh turns it around and tries to make it seem like I'm admitting some sort of bias against id Software.
a). I'm a professional. Professionals don't care who makes a game. We might comment on it and similarities of style and/or expectations, but it's the game that matters.
b). Even if I DID have a bias, it would be for id if anything. When we reviewed Q3A and scored it higher than UT, I spent most of my time explaining the decision. I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with John Carmack and Todd Hollenshead on several occasions. I have a great relationship with Activision. Despite all this, I gave Doom III a lower than average score. However, I clearly explained that the "surprise! attack!" game mechanic was the only one present in Doom III and quickly got tedious, no matter how amazing the pacing of the game and the tension of the atmosphere.
So when someone comes in here and presumes to throw nonsensical allegations around about my article - each one proven wrong, one after the other, by various forum members - forgive me if I'm disappointed that you actually believed him.
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