The review was disapointing and chock full of opinions. Adding your opinion to a review is the way it probably should be, but after I read the review on FS I relised that it was a review of someone pissed off at the *surprise* of the gameplay expieriance.
I think the surprise effect is great and very nostalgic.
Maybe fighting more monsters at once and more lighting
through the levels would've helped. otherwise it's
definitly doom.
How many of us actually played through the first two
dooms, don't lie. We all used the god mode trick and the
jump to the last level trick. I think it took me months to
finaly have played all the levels in doom2 when it came out,
I just skipped around. And I know everyone else did to.
This game is Doom it's just we all got so cought up in it
that we wanted to play it through and, like having to much
cake for desert, it's making us sick. Hence score of 85. I
think 90 or higher just because of the little details that
are in the game that aren't in any other.
In all, a descent FS review but with too much anger and opinion at the surprise monsters.
Maybe fighting more monsters at once and more lighting
through the levels would've helped. otherwise it's
definitly doom.
How many of us actually played through the first two
dooms, don't lie. We all used the god mode trick and the
jump to the last level trick. I think it took me months to
finaly have played all the levels in doom2 when it came out,
I just skipped around. And I know everyone else did to.
This game is Doom it's just we all got so cought up in it
that we wanted to play it through and, like having to much
cake for desert, it's making us sick. Hence score of 85. I
think 90 or higher just because of the little details that
are in the game that aren't in any other.
In all, a descent FS review but with too much anger and opinion at the surprise monsters.
I think the review was spot on.
When I first got Doom3, and spent about an hour and a half playing it, I couldn't say enough good things about it. Now, I just can't wait to beat it. The monsters being triggered when you pick up armor or teleporting behind you is getting very old. It worked at first, but come on, something new already?
Playing Doom3 just makes me want to play Half Life 2 that much more. I'm fairly confident that it will be a better game.
Though the two are very different: Doom3 is all hallways, dark, scary, you're on your own. HL will be in the great outdoors, most likely scary, and you'll have NPC to do combat along side(something that would have been wicked rad in D3) I'm counting on the story in HL2 to wipe the floor with D3s also. Sometimes when I'm playing D3, it almost seems like a bad remake of the original Half Life.
klonoa wrote:Like he said, it's all about opinions. There are tons of reviews out there... I for one, would have given it higher, but thats just my opinion.
You can always write your own review, if you haven't done so already. Personally, I agree with some of the things he said and I see his point. I also tend to forget that I actually read the review, except for some reason, seem to remember two things, the annoyance of triggered events and save often. Of course, I also remember the score. Once I beat the game, I might write my own review, so I'll just put my comments there.
Well there are many perspective in a review, he took the gameplay's repetitiveness as the main focus. It was a bit repetitive, and he really used it against Doom 3's score. Some reviewers out there looked at it differently, they see many of the good points in Doom 3 easily covered the repetitiveness of Doom 3, and accepted that fact that all previous Dooms had simular gameplay, and forgave ID's choice to keep the tradition.
suicideinvoice wrote:
I think the review was spot on.When I first got Doom3, and spent about an hour and a half playing it, I couldn't say enough good things about it. Now, I just can't wait to beat it. The monsters being triggered when you pick up armor or teleporting behind you is getting very old. It worked at first, but come on, something new already?Playing Doom3 just makes me want to play Half Life 2 that much more. I'm fairly confident that it will be a better game.Though the two are very different: Doom3 is all hallways, dark, scary, you're on your own. HL will be in the great outdoors, most likely scary, and you'll have NPC to do combat along side(something that would have been wicked rad in D3) I'm counting on the story in HL2 to wipe the floor with D3s also. Sometimes when I'm playing D3, it almost seems like a bad remake of the original Half Life.
I played many FPS games and I can't remember once enjoying having NPC's fighting beside me, ever. Not in Call of Duty, not in Unreal 2, not any game that i remotely remember, because they either, never die, never kills anything useful, gets in your way, or always asks you to go first.
But in Doom 3, it is maybe the first time I enjoyed it. It's not technically an NPC(it is that turret spider robot) that you have the choice to follow. While I was fighting beside it, i really felt scared that if it dies, I'd be in a world of shit, therefore while it tries to protect me, I had to protect it. Following it rushing thru dark rooms/corridors with it's head light was the one of the hightlights in Doom 3.
In-Tel wrote:
I played many FPS games and I can't remember once enjoying having NPC's fighting beside me, ever. Not in Call of Duty, not in Unreal 2, not any game that i remotely remember, because they either, never die, never kills anything useful, gets in your way, or always asks you to go first.
But in Doom 3, it is maybe the first time I enjoyed it. It's not technically an NPC(it is that turret spider robot) that you have the choice to follow. While I was fighting beside it, i really felt scared that if it dies, I'd be in a world of shit, therefore while it tries to protect me, I had to protect it. Following it rushing thru dark rooms/corridors with it's head light was the one of the hightlights in Doom 3.
You didn't enjoy rushing up that hill during the russian campaign with all those soldiers in COD?! And the first time you played the Normandy beach level in MOH?! Not even Barney in HL?! Yer crazy and banned from this site for that.
So what if they don't actually kill anything, it's fun. It help you feel not so sad and alone.
Following that walking gun thing in D3 was pretty cool. Now, imagine if there were levels where you had a couple marines, some with flashlights, some with guns, fighting along side of you? I think that would have been totally **bleep**in.
Dude I think your mental.
EvilAsh wrote:
So what was bad about his review? His first statements showed his bias against Id software.
Big No no. How can anyone take his opinion seriously when he already has preconcieved notions about ID games period? So when he says he didn't like it.. Wow that was a surpise! Not.
Also Rushing through a game that is not designed for that type of play style is foolish if you play 10 hours straight.. guess what? Any game... is going to get jaded after a while. You have to take a break. Catch a breath. Live in the real world for a while. There was no need for him
to Rush. And No Sorry No one who cares about enjoying doom3 is going to rush throught it. And no one who really wants to enjoy the game to the fullest is going to dare use Cheat codes.
Folks used Cheat codes for the original Doom series.. Once they beat the game. just so they could get to their favorite sections of doom and doom2.
Also. Playing Doom 3 with cheat codes.. and Playing doom3 without cheat codes = a totally different gameplay experience. Duh. His first review should have been written on his untainted
gaming experience. IF anything It doesn't suprise me that no other third party news gaming site has listed the firingsquad review. Tells me that many other feel as I do that this review was piss poor in how it was written and handled.
Warsprite this is my challenge to you. its simple.. Play half-life 2 with cheat codes and dare come back here and write a glowing review. if you are going to write a review FOR ANY game you do it without any cheat code experience. You write the review After the untainted gaming expeirence is fresh in your mind. See thats why your rant in the review makes no sense yet you score it 85... and yet you don't even explain WHY you feel the game is even worth 85! 85 is damn good store it must mean that you seriously enjoyedplaying it..or
your opinion is bs and you just put up an 85 for the hell of it. Well which is it?
EvilAsh wrote:
So what was bad about his review? His first statements showed his bias against Id software.
Big No no. How can anyone take his opinion seriously when he already has preconcieved notions about ID games period? So when he says he didn't like it.. Wow that was a surpise! Not.
Also Rushing through a game that is not designed for that type of play style is foolish if you play 10 hours straight.. guess what? Any game... is going to get jaded after a while. You have to take a break. Catch a breath. Live in the real world for a while. There was no need for him
to Rush. And No Sorry No one who cares about enjoying doom3 is going to rush throught it. And no one who really wants to enjoy the game to the fullest is going to dare use Cheat codes.
Folks used Cheat codes for the original Doom series.. Once they beat the game. just so they could get to their favorite sections of doom and doom2.
Also. Playing Doom 3 with cheat codes.. and Playing doom3 without cheat codes = a totally different gameplay experience. Duh. His first review should have been written on his untainted
gaming experience. IF anything It doesn't suprise me that no other third party news gaming site has listed the firingsquad review. Tells me that many other feel as I do that this review was piss poor in how it was written and handled.
Warsprite this is my challenge to you. its simple.. Play half-life 2 with cheat codes and dare come back here and write a glowing review. if you are going to write a review FOR ANY game you do it without any cheat code experience. You write the review After the untainted gaming expeirence is fresh in your mind. See thats why your rant in the review makes no sense yet you score it 85... and yet you don't even explain WHY you feel the game is even worth 85! 85 is damn good store it must mean that you seriously enjoyedplaying it..or
your opinion is bs and you just put up an 85 for the hell of it. Well which is it?
Not everyone's experience is ruined by using cheats, but I would expect a review to be based on non-cheating experience only. I for one can cheat like crazy and still be able to fully enjoy the game and become fully immersed (and be scared shitless) without cheats aswell. I find that you can be just as scared even with cheat experience, you just have to want to be. A truely immersive experience relies on both the game's ability to deliver, and the player's willingness to let the game immerse. I do agree that playing a game for hours on end dulls the experience....a paid game reviewer should know this. However, we should never automatically assume that the things that taint our gaming experience will taint other's aswell.
Theoban wrote:
Good grief, are you even reading what WarSPITE is saying? He only went back and used cheats to take benchmarks and screenshots. He played the game through WITHOUT cheating.
Actually most screens were taken without cheat codes if you simply look at my health bar. I only went back to the mid part of the game when I realized I hadn't grabbed enough screens there and didn't feel like fighting all the way through again.
EvilAsh wrote:
So what was bad about his review? His first statements showed his bias against Id software.
Big No no. How can anyone take his opinion seriously when he already has preconcieved notions about ID games period? So when he says he didn't like it.. Wow that was a surpise! Not.
What, FiringSquad has a bias against id software? 
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. The FiringSquad reviewers have a history of being accused of a bias in favor of id software. Sometimes those accusations were warranted IMO (UT vs Q3A), most often not, but they're definitely not biased against id software. Some of the writers (I don't know about WarSpite) were even kind of friends with the people at id.
The only thing I might say about the review is that maybe WarSpite's expectations were a bit too high, but all in all I think it's a fair review.
I would say he is currently the only game reviewer. Pongky covers conventions, Brandon does hardware, Chris does hardware, and Jacob does games.
EvilAsh wrote:
"Now, keep in mind that I've always admitted that id has never been a master of game design"
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o already he his expectations were low? So he doesn't think that there is any possible way that Doom3 would be a fun game? Thats Bias.
"Before I get to that, let me say that if I'd written this review yesterday, it would be an orgasmic gushfest. Maybe it'd still be completely gushing rather than merely positive today if I hadn't gone back to earlier save games yesterday trying to string a sequence of fights for a benchmarking demo. Perhaps the early re-exposure to parts I just fought through hours ago killed my enthusiasm."
Maybe? You ever hear of a movie critic writing a review of a movie by Watching it.. 3 times first and then writing the review? Wtf would anyone do that to themselves.
Troll? I have been a reader of Firingsquad since it first came out. And I have posted here before many moons ago. Posting a contrary opinion is not trolling. But please go ahead call me troll. I am not posting to win a popularity contest. if I was I would write up a big paragraph calling this review the best review ever. As far as saying that Firinsquad is biased against id.. please show me where I actually said that.. I said that WARSprite is biased against them. Does WarSprite represent the entire Firinsquad team? if he does.. my goodness Thats news to me.
Edit: Seeing how low on manpower you guys are, do you need an intern?
Message Edited by Corran on 08-09-2004 12:15 AM
Why people care so greatly about what some website game reviewer (no offense 
) thinks of a game is beyond me. True, there are certain 'standards' that we expect of a game reviewer, but some people seem to rely on reviews so much that they treat them as though they were political descisions made by their country's president
) thinks of a game is beyond me. True, there are certain 'standards' that we expect of a game reviewer, but some people seem to rely on reviews so much that they treat them as though they were political descisions made by their country's president 
I'm pretty sure this evilash guy has a hard time with the english language, somehow he missed the part that said the cheats were going to be enabled for a custom timedemo for benchmarks and screenshots not for normal gameplay. Furthermore, biased againt Id....? I can tell you weren't around these boards when Doom3 went GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD.
The moral of the story is don't post it if you can't logically back it up.
The moral of the story is don't post it if you can't logically back it up.
EvilAsh wrote:
Thanks for the heads up But nothing ticks me off more then someone calling me a troll or an idiot because I posted my opinion. But I made my points. I Am commenting on the review. And true his one tiny review will have no affect on d3. Its already going to sell probably a zillion copies. Based on what I have seen at my local Bestbuy. They sold out of a hundred copies in a mere 4 hours. and for nearly half those copies sold. Each went out with some piece of hardware. Be it a new mouse,Nostromo GAmepad n52s,new 3d cards, Speakers. headphones.. Heck new pcs. I have never seen a new game get that type of reaction like that. Oh and for those who would love a nice set of THX 5.1 speakers bestbuy is selling the Logitech Z5300s for $199.
Considering they were originally 400 bucks! Thats a steal. And trust me Doom3 with 5.1 surround sound is an experience any gamer deserves to have.
You didn't make points. You didn't comment on the review. You made some unspecific comments on my writing and later when confronted with the fact that your post had no substance, you completely misinterpreted my original statement that "id isn't known for its game design" as some sort of ridiculous sign of my "bias" against id. I was the frontline of defence on the FS forums and email when it came to explaining our decision to grade Q3A higher than UT. Do you understand that? When half the internet descended here to flame us for scoring Q3A higher, I was defending Q3A, and thus id.
That's why you're a troll.
I can take people disagreeing with me, I've been doing so in email for a few days now, but I'm not going to have some inept troll walk into these forums under higher pretenses.
meathooks6911 wrote:
I think it's in everyone's best interest if a reviewer admits his bias while writing a review, which Warspite did.
I never admitted any bias in the review. That's just EvilAsh trolling.
I said "Now, keep in mind that I've always admitted that id has never been a master of game design, so I never expected another Deus Ex or Half-Life. While I disagree that their games are nothing but tech demos, I do expect a great action sequence. Wolfenstein 3D had it, Doom I and II had it, and the Quake games sorta had it - but they made up for that with multiplayer. Doom III?"
Now, to most people, this simply means "Hey, he didn't have ridiculously high expectations".
EvilAsh turns it around and tries to make it seem like I'm admitting some sort of bias against id Software.
a). I'm a professional. Professionals don't care who makes a game. We might comment on it and similarities of style and/or expectations, but it's the game that matters.
b). Even if I DID have a bias, it would be for id if anything. When we reviewed Q3A and scored it higher than UT, I spent most of my time explaining the decision. I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with John Carmack and Todd Hollenshead on several occasions. I have a great relationship with Activision. Despite all this, I gave Doom III a lower than average score. However, I clearly explained that the "surprise! attack!" game mechanic was the only one present in Doom III and quickly got tedious, no matter how amazing the pacing of the game and the tension of the atmosphere.
So when someone comes in here and presumes to throw nonsensical allegations around about my article - each one proven wrong, one after the other, by various forum members - forgive me if I'm disappointed that you actually believed him.
